The Zeitgeist Movie is very interesting to say the least. My opinion is of it that it is Illumanaist propoganda. They blame relgion and visible government for the world's greatest concerns and a claim that world control is the goal. The movie fails to mention the roles of the Freeemason Occult Society, the Jesuits, the Vatican or the Illumanati which all are all names the pop up when you do the research on the one world government. To me I just see it as having a hidden agenda of propoganda.
The Zeitgeist Movie is a film documentary created by Peter Joseph, the creator of an essentially social and religious movement called the Zeitgeist Movement. The synopsis of the movement is dedicated to the beliefs that “the concepts of concepts of nationalism, government, race, religion, creed and class are false, outdated distinctions” (Zeitgeist Movement Wiki). Part One of the movie makes countless false claims and un-cited arugments. When breaking down part one of the movie one can divide the fallacies into two basic claims, The Bible is a religion based on Esoteric beliefs (astrology, star worship), and all religions originate from the same place. These claims are false and this movie has a hidden agenda which and this will bring the agenda to light. I have taken the liberty to cite sources to verify that I'm not making this up.
I.The Bible is A Books Based on Esoteric Doctrine: False
A. The zeitgeist makes a play on the homonyms “sun” and “son”. The movie claims Jesus the son risen from the dead, is actually the sun that rises in the morning. The problem with this is that sun and son are not homonyms in the languages the bible was actually written in(Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic) For instance, Son in Hebrew is בן (ben-) and Sun in Hebrew is הַשָּֽׁמֶש (ha·sha·mesh.)
B. The Zeitgeist Movie makes a claim that the 12 Disciples are the 12 Signs of the Zodiac and Jesus the son of God is really the sun that the disciples/zodiac follow. The problem with this claim is the fact the zodiac signs do not follow the sun.
C.The movie claims biblical references to fish, bulls, and water are all symbols of the Zodiac. This claim is weak and baseless. For instance the movie tells us that because two of Jesus' disciples are fisherman they automatically represent the sign of Pisces. Well the author of the movie intentionally neglects to mention the other disciples because he can't fit them into his false teaching. Matthew was a tax collector and Simon was a zealot yet they aren't mentioned in the film because those jobs have no astrological significance. The New Testament of the also makes references to sheep, donkeys, birds, roosters and other animals yet these aren't mentioned in the Zeitgeist Movie either because they have nothing to do with astrology. These baseless arguments of the movie are simply made whenever it seems to suit the beliefs of the skeptics.
II.The Study of the Astrology and the Worship of Heavenly Bodies is Forbidden In the Bible
A.The author does not mention what the bible itself says about Astrology
B."And beware NOT to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.” (Deuteronomy 4:19)
C."If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the LORD your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, by transgressing His covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel” (Deuteronomy 17:2-4)
D."You are wearied with your many counsels; Let now the astrologers, Those who prophesy by the stars, Those who predict by the new moons, Stand up and save you from what will come upon you (Isaiah 47:13)
III.Virgin Birth Originates From Other Religions: FALSE
A.The movie claims Jesus, Horus, Krishna and Mithra all come from Virgin births
B.According to the Egyptian text Horus was born to the Egyptian goddess Isis. Her Husband Osiris was completely dismembered during battle with Set. Isis replicated his penis and used it to produce Horus. Horus was not born of a virgin (Eunuchs and castrati: a cultural history, p 32 Piotr O. Scholz)
C.There is not evidence for the Virgin Birth of Dionysus. In the myth: Zeus, the king of the Greek gods, had sex with a mortal named Semele and Dionysus was conceived. (Dionysus: myth and cult p. 65, By Walter Friedrich Otto)
D.Krishna's mother was Devaki who had already had eight previous sons. (Ancient Tradition and Mythology Volume 9, p 1252)
E.The fact of the matter is the Virgin Birth of Jesus is a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy in Isaiah 7:4 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” *Immanuel means
God is with us. Jesus is “God in the likeness of sinful flesh” ( Romans 8:3)
IV.The Date December 25 Was Stolen: FALSE
A.Horus' birthday was celebrated in the Egyptian month of Khoiak – Our Oct/Nov (The golden bough: a study in magic and religion, Volume 6 p 88 Sir James George Frazier)
B.Jesus was NOT born on December 25. Christmas derives from the Roman holiday the festival of Saturnalia. There were religious sects in Rome seeking to merge Paganism with Christianity, therefore Christmas was created. None of the gospel accounts give a date of Jesus' birth.
C.The bible indicates that Jesus was born during a time of warm weather and not winter because of Luke 2:8 “And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night” During the winter sheep are placed in sheltered protection such as barns and stables.
V.The Story of the Three Kings Coming to Worship Christ Was Stolen: FALSE
A.The movie states three kings come to visit Horus at his birth just as Jesus' birth. This claim is not found in any Egyptian text.
B.The movie claims three kings came to visit Jesus yet the bible clearly says three wise men. “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. (Matthew 2:2)”
A.“There is little notice of the Persian god [Mithra] in the Roman world until the beginning of the 2nd century, but, from the year AD 136 onward, there are hundreds of dedicatory inscriptions to Mithra. This renewal of interest is not easily explained. The most plausible hypothesis seems to be that Roman Mithraism was practically a new creation, wrought by a religious genius who may have lived as late as c. AD 100 and who gave the old traditional Persian ceremonies a new Platonic interpretation that enabled Mithraism to become acceptable to the Roman world” (Encyclopedia Britannia 2004 Mithraism) The gospels were completed well before 70 A.D
B.Mithra did not have virgin birth. Not even a human birth. The followers of Mithraism believed that he was born from a rock. (Mithraic Studies: Proceedings of the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies p. 173)
C.There is no story of Mithra's death therefore no story of his resurrection
VII.Noah's Ark Came from Other Religions: False A.There are countless extra biblical sources from the ancient world that attest to there being a massive flood. If the flood described in Genesis truly occurred then of course hundreds of other ethnic and religious groups would have spoken of it.
VIII.The Zeitgeist Movie Is Based on Occult Satanic Teachings A.Madame HP Blavasky's(Occultist and Mystist) book, “The Secret Doctrine” is used as a source for the movie. This same novel was used heavily influenced Hitler's Nazi beliefs. (Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology p.20 By Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke) i.*Lucifer is a name for Satan, the Devil ii.Madame HP Blavasky also said in the same book “ Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light” (The Secret Doctrine p 513 Madame HP Blavatsky) iii.Another quote from the book “And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the “Lord of Phosphorus” , and Lucifer, or “Light-Bearer,” is in us: it is our Mind — our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism.” (The Secret Doctrine p 513 Madame HP Blavatsky) iv.It gets even worse , “Lucifer, the Astral Light . . . . is an intermediate force existing in all creation” (The Secret Doctrine p 519 Madame HP Blavatsky)
B.Gerald Massey who is quoted 30 times from this movie is also an occultist. He even worked with Madame HP Blavastky to publish an article entitled Lucifer in Blavatsky's “A Theosophical Magazine”
C.Manly P. Hall is another source for the Zeitgeist movie. Lets see what this member of the occult secret society Freemasonry has to say in his book The Lost Keys of Freemasonry. “The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands [The Freemason] and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. ” (The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or the Secret Life of Hiram Abiff p 24 by Manly P. Hall)
Conclusion:
The Zeitgeist Movie is a movie that is quietly pushing Luciferian Doctrine. The Zeitgeist Movement itself states nationalism, government, race, religion, creed and class are false, outdated distinctions. This is rebellion and not a good form of rebellion. It is the same teaching equivalent with the doctrine of Lucifer which is the agenda the movie subconsciously desires that its viewers submit to.
dang eddie what else is there 2 say? lol all i no is i disagree with his opinion of religion. Everything doesn't have a logical reason and religion is one prime example. Science does not hold all answers. Also the comparisons he made were incorrect. He also used media tricks to change the views of viewers. That video really tested my belief system. That was until Eddie cracked open the good book and went ham on ol' Zeitgeist. lol but what an eye opener. I was a lil enraged and disturbingly entertaining.
I feel that this video was a very good video and I agree with eaddy...I feel as if what you believe on is your own personal belief...even if from what the video said about there not being a god is just a false representive of something the started a while back so people can believe and do what's right...but me being a believer regardless of what that movie said i do not question my faith regardless o he fact presented...I continue to stand for wat I believe in.
I disagree also... I looked up some of the comparisons that they made in the movie and they are totally false... Eddie did a good job but some of the things he used I don't agree with... My opinion is that historians and scientist don't always know everything and it can't tell me each and everything about the world...
The movie was................interesting is a nice way to put it. Sure the information presented seem reasonable and believable, you have to comepletely be devoted and dedicated to your faith not to buy into that. I belive in God completely no matter what the movie or anyone else says. He is a God that is capable of all things. God performs miracles which in no way can be described by any science or person.
wow...Well Eddie said it all. I agree with Nnenna, the movie was...interesting. I believe that it takes a strong believer in their religion to watch the movie, because the narrator tried to use the media and propaganda to try and convince the viewer that their opinion towards religion was incorrect. I also believe that the evidence the narrator used to build their argument was unsound and unreasonable. I'll admit that after watching the movie, I questioned some of what I believe in, but that just goes to show how persuading the movie was. I believe that it is impossible for someone to try and relate the Bible and Jesus Christ to astronomy. Some things can't be easily explained.
The movie was appealing. It opened ur eyes to new things and something u never thought about. Even tho u dont neccesarily agree with everything that the movie said it did make u think about somethings. Like Druskii said everything doesnt have a logical reason behind it like religion. And religion is a subject that everyone feels different on and is a very touchy subject. The movie uses things to try n get u to think the way it thinks, like the guy saying u should pay 10% n follow the 10 Commandments n if u dont he will send u to Hell forever BUT He loves u.
Unlike the others i believe that the movie make interesting points, the makers of this movie may have used propaganda tricks to display this information however i feel like they still haven't answered the unanswered questions. Like WHO is God? HOW was he created? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT SOMEONE FROM ANCIENT TIMES DIDNT MAKE ALL OF THIS UP???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? This video gets you to wonder about things......Im not questioning my faith but its like where are the facts like can you show me proof other than one book that has many versions. I know most dont agree because there is always two sides of a story. Even though everythiing isnt logical that doesnt mean ima believe it because people before me did NO! i want a good reason why i should believe in this religion thing................... HOW?? WHY?? WHERE?? WHO?? EVERYTHING HAS TO HAVE AN ANSWER!!!
i don't know why everyone's comments are so long. Short and simple, the first part of Zeitgeist was very interesting and whether you agreed with it or not, it made you think.
..Zeitgeist was a very interesting film, but when i see things like that movie I like to pose the following question, although I KNOW there IS A GOD: Would you rather live your life believing that there is a God and die to find out there isn't or would you rather live your life believing that there is no God and die to find out there is? As a christian you MUST study the Word in order to gain knowledge and understanding so we won't fall victim to such blasphemy!
Zeitgeist was a very interesting film and I do agree with Eddie. Even though this film made convincing points you have to stand strong to your faith. Some things in religion just can not be explained or questioned by man because God is miraculous. The word of God said to do GOOD and believe in him and all your questions will eventually be answered. What do you have to lose by doing GOOD?????? As true christ followers it is imperative for us to study the word and trust in it.
Hmmm...I was not very interested in this other way of thinking about Christianity. I believe that God is the father, that Jesus came into the world to save me, a sinner,was buried, was raised on the third day, and then ascended to heaven. I believe that Jesus is the truth, the light, and my savior. After seventeen years, two months, and twenty days of learning about Christianity, God, and Jesus Christ, no one can put doubt in my mind that there is another "god". Christianity was not created by men, but by God and Jesus themselves.
Have no fear Zach Mason is here! Zach Mason knows that there is a God simply because he has proved Himself to Zach Mason and He has helped Zach Mason with his life. Zach Mason is not offended or bothered by the movie because everyone has the right to question and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Zach Mason believes its good for your beliefs to be tested.It should make them stronger. The movie makes you think from a different angle and they made some good points, but just because it made Zach Mason think doesn't mean he is going to change his opinion and go against his faith. Zach Mason also thinks Lashonda wrote a really good post. And if someone from ancient times did jus make all this stuff up, then they are one heck of a story teller. Zach Mason means Socrates couldn't spit fire like that. But i wanna know does every single question really have one true factual answer or do they have answers based on the perception of the person answering the question? Such as the question we are talking about, Is there really a God? We probably jus dont know the answer but i wanted to sound cool. I think my real question is does every answer have a question? Wow. Zach Mason OUT! LE GO!!!
I truly enjoy how Zach speaks in third person...I really enjoyed the movie, being that I am almost overly open minded and am a true believer that there is two sides to a story. Zeitgeist really makes you think, then again so does Eddie's argument. I feel that if the movie did site its beliefs it would have felt more truthful, but then that's my bias because I have been taught all my life that there is a God. Thus, agreeing with the movie and laughing with it at some points made me feel a little pang inside...
Well i think Zeitgeist Part 1 was a very interesting film especially because of how it was presented BUT..... this film did not make me question my faith one bit. I think about it lik this if you change your mind about your beliefs change it because you really think that what you was thinking at first was wrong not just because!! You should stick with your beliefs and let the rest ride no matter how anyone looks at you or what they think about you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion!! :-D
As we all know..Mesha is type religous. I believed that the bible is the inspired, infallable, unalterable word of God, written by Holy men of old as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. God is infinite in power and he created all things. Before the stars got here..there was God! You really have to be a strong beleiver in order to watch that video. He tried to test people's faith and knowledge about God with some stuff he didnt even know was wrong(which Eddie pointed out). The video was interesting to me because I never see people dog other religions out like people do Christianity, and that only makes me believe more. I know there is a God because everything I pray for in the private comes to pass through who or what ever God allows. He has showed up in my life MILLIONS of times! I have every reason to believe because its been proven to me..and as long as you question God and put other "gods" before him...u will never see!
Well I haven't seen this part of the "movie" so I don't really have an opinion on it.But from what I read above, it seemed like it was an interesting part. The kind that would have you thinking about A LOT
..ok well...i respect everyones opinions, buti dont agree with them all...its not that i dont belive in a higher power (e.g. God) its just that i have questions. nt in particular aimng just at Christianity or my own religion,bt how do u know for sure wats true and wats not. I luv how eddie bought up the point of TRANSLATION, just a small problem with that > earlier in class i ws talking about how their are literally "holes" in the scriptures and people just filld them in. is like we dont really kno wat th orignal wrtten text was... how come nobdy has kept records? if cavemen cud keep track of things on walls, how come old religous groups cudnt do the same? sure there are plenty of holy scriptures out there,but how do u kno wich is correct? if any TRULY ARE correct. thnk about it..dont get mad at me here, but God...HOW DO U GIVE HIM EMOTIONS? CORRECTME IF IM WRONG, GOD IS FORGIVING, BUT UR NT REALLY SUPOSD TO CHRACTERISE HIM WITH HUMAN EMOTINS... ANDDDD... they say in the bible and other scriptures its written basicly > GAY = WRONG...correct me there, but thats the basic meaning isnt it? if thats tru then y did God create those who are gay or bi? ... u think maybeeee just maybeeee,su1 put that in the scripture bc THEY FELT IT WS WRONG and didnt wnt others to b that way, so they put it there as "GODS WORD" and u blindly obey it? u dontkno wat iffff God meant for it to be that way...i mean honestly.. if he didnt want it that way, it wunt be here. if he didnt want it that way, he wunt have wired our brains to kno that there is a thing as HOMOSEXUALS OR BISXUALS...u cnt truly be sure. so yhh. like i said..this isnt just aimd at 1 or 2 religions, its just a few "?"s i had in general..i probabl wont belive s strongly in a "certain religion" but i take things from all religions that i do like, and i belie n a hiher power.. e.g. maybe God, or sumthing else..u nevr know..we may b the guinea pig in sumbdys experiment, and made nd wired, and given religion by certain ppl to xperiment... so yh, this is just my opinion. Zeitgest had sum gud points and bad points overall, mad interesting. but i didnt get my "?"s nswerred, so i a bit dispaointd. =P
...This was a very interesting movie that really made me think and about a lot of different things. I mean I still do believe in god and everything but this movie really opened my eyes and it made me question, or rather just really think about some aspects of my religion. I mean after I think about it to me its like my religion is really a thing for hope and it helps you see what’s right from wrong in life and it guides you in the right direction. But I do know that its a lot more to it than that but I think that is really the base for my religion, and after I think about it if my parents did not have me to go to church when I was younger I wonder if I would even believe in any religion now even though I know that statement is like one of our fallacies "Hypothesis Contrary to Fact". But anyway this movies really tests your faith in your religion, and I think that it didn’t lead me to think that my religion is wrong it just made me think that even if it was duplicated or altered a little bit, in our society and life now it has really helped me and lead me to become a successful person.
I thought that Zeitgeist Part 1 was very interesting. Even though the movie proved many relevant facts I still have more faith in my religion and cannot be persuaded to change my opinion.
I thought the movie was interesting because it made some good points and definitely gets you thinking. i agree with Lashonda's point of view because there are so many thoughts to how the world was created, how do you kno which one is true? i do believe in religion,or at least consider it, but to a certain extent. Some of the things don't make much sense to me and it starts to make you question religion in general.
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This video added a lot of thought to my brain...KeeHeeHee. I found this video to be an eye opener, because of how interesting it was towards religion. You can't change what I think about things, therefore this video was not even strong enough or close to making me think twice about my own religion. My religion has helped me to grow, and I believe that by continuing with my religion that it will help me to grow into a successful, and better person.
Alright this movie was very interesting and i feel that this dude was full of it. Buddy was using all types of tricks to make is point look more dominant but he did have some good points. but i still believe in God and though he made me think about christianity (SP) he hasnt gave me enough proff to make me do any kind of dramatic change of religion or anything. i hope im not rambling but yea thats how i feel...Im Gudda Gudda.....She Gudda Gudda..... You Gudda Gudda.....WE GUDDA GUDDA
i think that the movie was very interesting even though i didnt agree with most of the comparisons it was worth the thought .Honestly it did make me question my belief in the end i still believe in God.We were always taught not to question God but i always had questions on how was God created?or Was he even created? these questions always are in the back of my head but the information that the movie gave us still didnt make me disbelieve in God. For the most part i enjoyed the movie.
Some people say belief is the strongest thing sme has. I believe in God and nothing can change my mind on that. The flim used many propaganda techniques to trick viewers. For a moment the techniques has me going then I realized they were just TRICKS. God is real to me and will always be, point blank period.
i thought the movie was about as entertaining as a reality TV show, it was fun to laugh at but at the end of the movie there was no change in my beliefs what so ever.just because it sounded like he knew what he was talking about, doesn't mean i am going to give up on something i believed in my whole life. but i still want to do more reading and research so i could back up my beliefs like Eddie can. this is the second movie i have seen like this, so my question why is everyone picking on Christianity?! obviously they must be intimidated by something...
The movie zeitgeist was a very opinion based movie. I think that all he did was air his opinion but although at the same time I felt he was being so to say ignorant. I say that and use such a strong word because it was what and how he spoke on the way he felt. There are better ways that you can express how you feel without badgeing others beliefs he could have at least been respectable on cristians out look.It did not challenge my belief not one bit. I was so shocking to me when Eddie pulled out the bible and started citing quotes. It was funny but at the same time you could tell he's strong in his belief and know's exactly what he's talking about. I'm strong in my belief but Eddie has me beat!
I am one who was raised in a strong Christian based home. I CONSIDER myself a strong believer in the LORD and JESUS CHRIST. This clip, however, did raise a couple questions… As Lashonda stated in her response WHERE?? WHEN?? HOW?? … Should I believe what I am told? Everything comes from somewhere right?? Am I supposed to just believe that some things just happen to be in existence because a book tells me which was written by man? Was there one who created all?? We are forced to live in a world where people are force to choose between blessings and luck … life after death in heaven or hell versus decomposing and turning into dust?? I am curious as to how it all began; HOWEVER… the good book says don’t question GOD?? All in all… I would rather live putting all my trust in the LORD and SAVIOR CHRIST knowing that there’s a possibility of me going to heaven than not believe and wage my life and eternal happiness. DuCeSx… :D
@Mona I respect your opinion but I have a question of my own. What evidence, literal evidence is there that there are holes in the Bible or they have been modified. The belief that the bible has been edited by has no true basis, it is a claim. The Nash Papyrus, and the Dead Sea Scrolls give us a date to reference the Old Testament of the Bible to 200 B.C and they are consistent with the copies of the bible we have now. There are manuscripts of the new testament that date to before 70 A.D and they are consistent with the current versions of the new testament.
And a Christian response to the claim of Homosexuality is the belief that God gave us free will firstly. We have the option to decide anything. Notice the bible also says do not fornicate but we still have the option to do it. God created man without sin but because of free will we strayed and according to the bible homosexuality is one of the ways we strayed.
"or the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:18-30)
You raise some really interesting points Eddie! I'd like to offer some comments and questions.
1. RE: holes in the Bible. While I haven't seen the actual manuscripts that the Bible is based on (have you?), I have seen photos of the Dead Sea scrolls, and they are in fragments.
2. RE: editing of the Bible. I disagree with your statement "The belief that the bible has been edited by has no true basis, it is a claim." Eddie, it is a fact. The Hebrew scriptures of the Old Testament were translated into Greek (Septuagint)and Latin (Vulgate) and later English (King James Version) among others. Some books were accepted, others later rejected or put in a category of what I would call "not quite sure" (Apocrypha--you can find these books in a Catholic Bible between the Old and New Testaments).
In the King James Version that I have, words not found in the original Hebrew or Greek texts are italicized--that is editing.
3. RE: There are manuscripts of the new testament that date to before 70 A.D. Really? Manuscripts of the New Testament, not just the Book of Mark? I'd like to see your evidence :-)
About the homosexuality and fornication thing...next post :-)
RE: "And a Christian response to the claim of Homosexuality is the belief that God gave us free will firstly. We have the option to decide anything."
Hmmm. I don't have the option of deciding if I need to breathe, drink, or eat. Those are biological imperatives. Sex is a biological imperative too, but I won't die without it. But there would be no next generation without it, and that is a form of delayed death for my genetic line.
Religions often target these biological imperatives and put "God given" rules about what is acceptable or unacceptable to eat, drink, or sexual behavior. This sounds to me more like man-made social control rather than Divine directives. God did not appear to me and tell me not to drink alcohol, or eat pork, or have sex before I was married. A man did.
Which raises questions about why an all powerful God needs a human intermediary...but that's another topic.
Healthy dietary habits and familial support structures benefit society. How do you curb biological imperatives or proclivities when they conflict with the social order? (NOTE: drinking alcohol, smoking, drug usage, etc. are not biological necessities, but they are pleasurable, even though they are not desirable in the long term). Tell the masses that God said NO!!!
"Better society" and a better position in that society for those that are the mouthpieces for "God". They get to be the boss!
I've read a few of the comments so far and I'm agreeing with alot of what has been said...
"dang eddie what else is there 2 say? lol" - Andrew
"The movie was....interesting..." - Nnenna
"I believe there is a God simply because he has proved Himself to me and He has helped me with my life." - Zach
"I believe that it takes a strong believer in their religion to watch the movie, because the narrator tried to use the media and propaganda to try and convince...." - MIA
"Honestly it did make me question my belief in the end i still believe in God.We were always taught not to question God but i always had questions on how was God created?or Was he even created?" - Kiera
"Even tho u dont neccesarily agree with everything that the movie said it did make u think about somethings." - Cluade
"Everything happens for a reason... but what was the reason for this video in my life?" - (CAIRSTON <---the only person i know with this name spelt this way)Why? maybe i'll find out in TOK..
If the Bible was really about social control the authors did a horrific job because their are way to many bible stories contradicting that very ideal.
“If the Bible was about Social Control, why does the main character say stuff like this?
“But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first “(Matthew 19:30)
“But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister” (Mark 10:42-43) *Minister is the Greek word for servant
If the Bible is a book of social control it was a dumb idea to put the book of James in it.
“Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats. Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which you are called?” (James 2:6)
“Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it wither the grass, and the flower thereof falls, and the grace of the fashion of it perishes: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. “(James 1:11)
If the Bible's aim was social control then that wrote these scriptures in here was not very bright.
“When you sit to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before you And put a knife to your throat, if you be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat. Labor not to be rich: cease from your own wisdom.” (Proverbs 23:1-4)
“Many seek the ruler's favour; but every man's judgment cometh from the LORD.” (Proverbs 29:26)
“There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceeds from the ruler:Folly is set in great dignity, and the rich sit in low place. I have seen servants on horses, and princes walking as servants on the earth.” (Ecclesiastes 10:7)
“If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.” (Proverbs 29:12)
If the Bible was made to indoctrinate social control the person who wrote this stuff lost their job.
“O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.” (Isaiah 3:12)
“The LORD has broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter of the rulers.” (Isaiah 14:5)
“Woe to them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed; To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!” (Isiah 10:2)
“ I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.” (Isaiah 10:12)
If the bible was about social control would Jesus tell Pilate this?
"My kingdom is not of this world if my kingdom were of this world then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews but now is my kingdom not from hence" (Matthew 18:36)
If social control was the aim of the bible why would Jesus go against the Scribes or Pharisees countless times (They were both religious and political leaders - Notice the relationship they had with both King Herod and the Governor Pontius Pilate in the bible)?
1. "1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees which were of Jerusalem saying Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders for they wash not their hands when they eat bread But he answered and said unto them Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition For God commanded saying Honour thy father and mother and He that curseth father or mother let him die the death But ye say Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother It is a gift by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me And honour not his father or his mother he shall be free Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition Ye hypocrites well did Esaias prophesy of you saying"
2. "7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism he said unto them O generation of vipers " (Matthew 3:7)
3. " Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees which were of Jerusalem saying Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders for they wash not their hands when they eat bread 3 But he answered and said unto them Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition For God commanded saying Honour thy father and mother and He that curseth father or mother let him die the death But ye say Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother It is a gift by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me 6 And honour not his father or his mother he shall be free Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition Ye hypocrites well did Esaias prophesy of you saying This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth and honoureth me with their lips but their heart is far from me But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men And he called the multitude and said unto them Hear and understand Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man but that which cometh out of the mouth this defileth a man" (Matthew 15:1-10)
4. The entirety of Matthew Chapter 23
If the Bible was made Social Control they must have put Daniel's story in by accident.
In the book of Daniel, the king made a decree that no man could pray to any God. Daniel did not follow this decree and was thrown into a lion's den.
If the Bible was about social control why did all the Kings, the ultimate social controllers want to destroy Israel?
What is Social Control? Using the Hegelian Dialectic in media to subconsciously subvert minds to do the things opposite of what the bible says do?
Using the fact that music by passes the frontal lobe of the brain to influence people to do things contrary to what the bible says and of course support big business sales while your in Wal-mart?
Making sure political leaders are in secret societies that worship Lucifer so the same agenda can be coherently pushed throughout the ages?
Making music artists join the occult in order to become mainstream, then use them for the mouth pieces of indoctrination?
The fact that the blood lines of Bush, Clinton and the queen of England are related?
The fact that each of them are in some sort of related secret society like Skull and Bones, and DeMolay etc?
Or maybe how 6/9 supreme courts justices are Roman Catholic?
Or how one of them is a member of the Belizean Grove, a society which worships Molech. Not to mention that Molech was for the human sacrfice of children.
Or how about poisoning our facet water and toothpaste with fluoride to hinder sterility and lower the American population so it can be controlled easier?
And don't let me forget about the poisonous chem-trails they release over the atmosphere?
Hmm... O lets see... how the United Nations has the Lucis Trust, formely known as Lucifer Trust, is on the Roster of the United Nations Economic and Social Council?
The externalization of occult symbols and themes such as the skull, anarchy, eye of Horus, the triquetra, and the ankh in mass media, and clothing to subconsciously subvert people to the New World Order?
How the Military Commissions Act repealed the writ of Habeus Corpus?
How Infra Guard allows private citizens to use arms during social unrest which the government will invoke soon?
Or creating catastrophic events in order to invoke fear into the lives of millions and then use the mass media as a medium for the spirit of fear?
Or making a movie called Zeitgeist and quoting the same people who wrote the doctrine that caused the World Trade Center attacks over 50 times?
Or making a movie called Zeitgeist which calls Gerald Massey an Egyptologist although he wasn't, but was actually a practicing Druid who was in line with the doctrine of Alice Bailey, Madame HP Blavatsky, and Alister Crowley?
It seems to me that they do not need the Bible to invoke social control, but in order to invoke it they have to get rid of the bible. Their bloodlines, and memberships in occult societies help allow them to have political and economic power which they need to invoke social control. That is why they say “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law”
And in referencing to editing, I am not talking about translation. The bible has been translated into over 200+ languages so of course somethings will be different. If anyone has a problem with that the manuscripts are available at museums and universities so if they know Greek or Hebrew they can compare themselves. I am referring to the claim that the bible we have now is not at all the same bible originally used.Yeah I know about Apocrypha. Apocrypha was considered by the Hebrew scholars to be good for historical and religious practice but not on the same level as the Torah, prophets etc.
Most of the debate over the new testament cannon was not because of the 27 books considered cannon now but because books of the gnostic gospels such as the Gospel of Thomas. They were not consistent with Christianity and were created far past the time of Christ.
Hey Eddie, I'm not singling out the Judeao-Christian tradition, social control is common among most religions, past and present. It is certainly present in our government and educational institutions (does that make me an agent of social control? Gravy No!!!!) And as you point out, Big Business loves it.
In response to "It seems to me they do not need the Bible to invoke social control, but in order to invoke it, they have to get rid of the Bible." I think they can and do use it as a distraction. Just think about the many fundamentalist Christians that were huge Bush supporters.
You are certainly well versed in the major conspiracy theories. Ever hear of the Bilderberg Group or the Trilateral Commission?
Oh I am very aware that they use the bible as a distraction, its the false doctrine filled Catholic Church. It is very evident that the Pope is controlling the world right now. All he has to do is make mention of something and some how the United Nations and the G8 seem to make it happen. But the Bible also has to be watered down so the principles do not come against the new world order. Thats why they had the College of Propoganda.
Oh yea ive heard of both of them. Notice how the triquetra is the symbol of the Trilateral Commission?
And I still do not feel the bible was created for a tool of social control. I believe the law is just what the bible says it is "the school master to lead us to Christ" Before the law there were no regulations regarding diet etc but I believe because of man's sin a school master was required. And of course people in power will always get a hold of things to use it for control. Notice how the Catholic church has declared itself the only moral authority and that no other Christian "denominations" are correct and how the Catholic Church should be the intermediary for all moral decisions made in the U.N. And how the Pope declared the need for a New World Order and global currency on Jun 7 09 and on Jun 10 09 The president of Russia had a model coin ready.
Well...now that I've finally gotten the chance to comment! LOL....I first want to say that I'm a Christian and will always remain one for the rest of my life. I believe that there is only one TRUE God and that is the one above. He's been taking care of me since I gave him my life and I thank and praise him for that. BUT that doesnt restrict me from saying that I found this video to be very interesting. It was shown to us to make us think and that's exactly what it did. I'm not afraid to admit that the vid did make some valid points. What if this God figure is made up and goes along with all the other "Gods" that have the same story? What if we are being "foolish" to believe in a higher power that may not even be real? To me, this movie showed a technique of persuasion. They tried to tell their side of the religion to persuade our thoughts about what we thought we knew. Just as if I was trying to convert an atheist {sp.} to be a Christian. But in the end it all balls down to your faith and what you choose to believe in. But the only thing I think would be foolish to do, is to be so gullible that you believe in God all your life and then after watching this video, let someone change your mind. I trust that my faith is strong and will always be. So even after watching it, I can think on it, make valid points about it, and still be who I am in Christ. PERIOD =)
Kelcey here...you guys hav really thought this out... glad to know that there are some smart people in my class. zeitgeist pt.1 was interesting. i really don't consider what the entire argument was trying to make me believe, which was believing that Christianity is a hoax.though i do think that the subliminary premise was to allow everyone to question what people have TOLD us to believe. i think that the movie was only making sure... that we were believing what we truly believed for ourselves and not because we were told to believe so.
The video was interesting. I think that the video got some people to question christianity. I believe that if you did start to question your belief, maybe your faith isnt as strong as you thought it was. The video was to try to make us think really hard about christianity and it did have me thinkin. All I have to say is dont let the video stray you away from your belief because he used media and tried to convince us that all the things he mentioned in the video was true.
Zeitgeist Part 1 was a video of truth and of deciet(spl check)...It allowed me to see what others view christaintiy as...After class I watched the video with my father...he also said that the creator of Zeitgeist did have some true moments but some of his statements were false. We discussed how yes there are some peices of the bible taken out but when you truly believe in Jesus and God and have a strong relationship with them, they will reveal to you the missing peices. To your question about why do we believe, I think at first we all believe in Jesus because of what we are taught from little babies, but as we get older we believe because we are seeking and thirsting to have a relationship with him because now our parents or grandparents can't take ownership of our sins.
First i would like to say that in reguard to the part itself i found it very interesting and thought that it raised alot of good questions about the belief of any religion. i personally dont believe in a god(atheist if you want to call it that). its not that i wasnt exposed to it or anything like that. im not rebeling against the system, its just what i believe to be true. I know that the movie had alot of biased opinions of the writer and in my opnion he was trying to make a joke out of something that i know people take very seriously. i just think that when it comes to religion people should be free to decide which one they want to follow, if any. it is pointless to try to persuade someone who has made up their mind about what they believe is true.I just repect other poeple beliefs and do what i think is right.
x....AS I REVIEWED THE COMMENTS POSTED BY MY FELLOW CLASSMATES, I AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THEM. IF YOU'RE NOT A STRONG BELIEVER IN YOUR RELIGION, THEN WATCHING ZEITGEIST PART 1 WILL HAVE YOU CONFUSED AND QUESTIONING WHETHER YOUR BELIEF IS REALLY TRUE. SINCE I AM A STRONG BELIEVER I HAVE NO DOUBTS AFTER WATCHING THE CLIP I STILL SERVE ONE GOD AND ONE KINGDOM.
This part of Zeitgeist was really interesting because it had some strong major key points in it towards religion and where the ideas behind it came from. My opinon:about religion, about the findings that are with it, and the findings that are against it is that it's a lost cause. Why, because it seems that there is truly no way to prove or to not prove a religion; besides everyone is going to believe what they want to believe, either because of their parents or whatever. The most this really, really interesting Zeitgeist Part 1 movie would do is probably open up some eyes, make people a little upset(because they are so Godly and watching anything of such slander would be heinous), and of course raise a lot of questions.
Zeitgeist does not change my opinion of the things that I’ve been taught throughout my life. To me, the movie is just a test of my faith and I think that I passed. If this man is so against Christianity, why doesn’t he bring real facts to the table instead of trying to get a good laugh out the whole thing. For the second part of the movie, I do believe that some of what is stated is true. If there was no trace of blood or parts of the plane, how could it have crashed? The only thing that I’m stomped upon is, “Where did the plane go?” I guess the world will never know since the government is trying to keep everything about 9/11 a secret. Well like all secrets, the truth will come out one day. So far the movie is interesting and I would just like people to respect the views of others instead of taking offense to everything someone says. Ready to watch to watch the next part.
The Zeitgeist Movie is very interesting to say the least. My opinion is of it that it is Illumanaist propoganda. They blame relgion and visible government for the world's greatest concerns and a claim that world control is the goal. The movie fails to mention the roles of the Freeemason Occult Society, the Jesuits, the Vatican or the Illumanati which all are all names the pop up when you do the research on the one world government. To me I just see it as having a hidden agenda of propoganda.
ReplyDeleteThe Zeitgeist Movie is a film documentary created by Peter Joseph, the creator of an essentially social and religious movement called the Zeitgeist Movement. The synopsis of the movement is dedicated to the beliefs that “the concepts of concepts of nationalism, government, race, religion, creed and class are false, outdated distinctions” (Zeitgeist Movement Wiki). Part One of the movie makes countless false claims and un-cited arugments. When breaking down part one of the movie one can divide the fallacies into two basic claims, The Bible is a religion based on Esoteric beliefs (astrology, star worship), and all religions originate from the same place. These claims are false and this movie has a hidden agenda which and this will bring the agenda to light. I have taken the liberty to cite sources to verify that I'm not making this up.
ReplyDeleteI.The Bible is A Books Based on Esoteric Doctrine: False
A. The zeitgeist makes a play on the homonyms “sun” and “son”. The movie claims Jesus the son risen from the dead, is actually the sun that rises in the morning. The problem with this is that sun and son are not homonyms in the languages the bible was actually written in(Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic) For instance, Son in Hebrew is בן (ben-) and Sun in Hebrew is הַשָּֽׁמֶש (ha·sha·mesh.)
B. The Zeitgeist Movie makes a claim that the 12 Disciples are the 12 Signs of the Zodiac and Jesus the son of God is really the sun that the disciples/zodiac follow. The problem with this claim is the fact the zodiac signs do not follow the sun.
C.The movie claims biblical references to fish, bulls, and water are all symbols of the Zodiac. This claim is weak and baseless. For instance the movie tells us that because two of Jesus' disciples are fisherman they automatically represent the sign of Pisces. Well the author of the movie intentionally neglects to mention the other disciples because he can't fit them into his false teaching. Matthew was a tax collector and Simon was a zealot yet they aren't mentioned in the film because those jobs have no astrological significance. The New Testament of the also makes references to sheep, donkeys, birds, roosters and other animals yet these aren't mentioned in the Zeitgeist Movie either because they have nothing to do with astrology. These baseless arguments of the movie are simply made whenever it seems to suit the beliefs of the skeptics.
II.The Study of the Astrology and the Worship of Heavenly Bodies is Forbidden In the Bible
ReplyDeleteA.The author does not mention what the bible itself says about Astrology
B."And beware NOT to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.” (Deuteronomy 4:19)
C."If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the LORD your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, by transgressing His covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel” (Deuteronomy 17:2-4)
D."You are wearied with your many counsels; Let now the astrologers, Those who prophesy by the stars, Those who predict by the new moons, Stand up and save you from what will come upon you (Isaiah 47:13)
III.Virgin Birth Originates From Other Religions: FALSE
A.The movie claims Jesus, Horus, Krishna and Mithra all come from Virgin births
B.According to the Egyptian text Horus was born to the Egyptian goddess Isis. Her Husband Osiris was completely dismembered during battle with Set. Isis replicated his penis and used it to produce Horus. Horus was not born of a virgin (Eunuchs and castrati: a cultural history, p 32 Piotr O. Scholz)
C.There is not evidence for the Virgin Birth of Dionysus. In the myth: Zeus, the king of the Greek gods, had sex with a mortal named Semele and Dionysus was conceived. (Dionysus: myth and cult p. 65, By Walter Friedrich Otto)
D.Krishna's mother was Devaki who had already had eight previous sons. (Ancient Tradition and Mythology Volume 9, p 1252)
E.The fact of the matter is the Virgin Birth of Jesus is a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy in Isaiah 7:4 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” *Immanuel means
God is with us. Jesus is “God in the likeness of sinful flesh” ( Romans 8:3)
ReplyDeleteIV.The Date December 25 Was Stolen: FALSE
A.Horus' birthday was celebrated in the Egyptian month of Khoiak – Our Oct/Nov (The golden bough: a study in magic and religion, Volume 6 p 88 Sir James George Frazier)
B.Jesus was NOT born on December 25. Christmas derives from the Roman holiday the festival of Saturnalia. There were religious sects in Rome seeking to merge Paganism with Christianity, therefore Christmas was created. None of the gospel accounts give a date of Jesus' birth.
C.The bible indicates that Jesus was born during a time of warm weather and not winter because of Luke 2:8 “And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night” During the winter sheep are placed in sheltered protection such as barns and stables.
V.The Story of the Three Kings Coming to Worship Christ Was Stolen: FALSE
A.The movie states three kings come to visit Horus at his birth just as Jesus' birth. This claim is not found in any Egyptian text.
B.The movie claims three kings came to visit Jesus yet the bible clearly says three wise men. “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. (Matthew 2:2)”
VI.Jesus' life story came from Mithraism: FALSE
ReplyDeleteA.“There is little notice of the Persian god [Mithra] in the Roman world until the beginning of the 2nd century, but, from the year AD 136 onward, there are hundreds of dedicatory inscriptions to Mithra. This renewal of interest is not easily explained. The most plausible hypothesis seems to be that Roman Mithraism was practically a new creation, wrought by a religious genius who may have lived as late as c. AD 100 and who gave the old traditional Persian ceremonies a new Platonic interpretation that enabled Mithraism to become acceptable to the Roman world” (Encyclopedia Britannia 2004 Mithraism) The gospels were completed well before 70 A.D
B.Mithra did not have virgin birth. Not even a human birth. The followers of Mithraism believed that he was born from a rock. (Mithraic Studies: Proceedings of the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies p. 173)
C.There is no story of Mithra's death therefore no story of his resurrection
VII.Noah's Ark Came from Other Religions: False
A.There are countless extra biblical sources from the ancient world that attest to there being a massive flood. If the flood described in Genesis truly occurred then of course hundreds of other ethnic and religious groups would have spoken of it.
VIII.The Zeitgeist Movie Is Based on Occult Satanic Teachings
A.Madame HP Blavasky's(Occultist and Mystist) book, “The Secret Doctrine” is used as a source for the movie. This same novel was used heavily influenced Hitler's Nazi beliefs. (Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology p.20 By Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke)
i.*Lucifer is a name for Satan, the Devil
ii.Madame HP Blavasky also said in the same book “ Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light” (The Secret Doctrine p 513 Madame HP Blavatsky)
iii.Another quote from the book “And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the “Lord of Phosphorus” , and Lucifer, or “Light-Bearer,” is in us: it is our Mind — our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism.” (The Secret Doctrine p 513 Madame HP Blavatsky)
iv.It gets even worse , “Lucifer, the Astral Light . . . . is an intermediate force existing in all creation” (The Secret Doctrine p 519 Madame HP Blavatsky)
B.Gerald Massey who is quoted 30 times from this movie is also an occultist. He even worked with Madame HP Blavastky to publish an article entitled Lucifer in Blavatsky's “A Theosophical Magazine”
C.Manly P. Hall is another source for the Zeitgeist movie. Lets see what this member of the occult secret society Freemasonry has to say in his book The Lost Keys of Freemasonry. “The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands [The Freemason] and
before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to
properly apply energy.
” (The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or the Secret Life of Hiram Abiff p 24 by Manly P. Hall)
Conclusion:
The Zeitgeist Movie is a movie that is quietly pushing Luciferian Doctrine. The Zeitgeist Movement itself states nationalism, government, race, religion, creed and class are false, outdated distinctions. This is rebellion and not a good form of rebellion. It is the same teaching equivalent with the doctrine of Lucifer which is the agenda the movie subconsciously desires that its viewers submit to.
dang eddie what else is there 2 say? lol all i no is i disagree with his opinion of religion. Everything doesn't have a logical reason and religion is one prime example. Science does not hold all answers. Also the comparisons he made were incorrect. He also used media tricks to change the views of viewers. That video really tested my belief system. That was until Eddie cracked open the good book and went ham on ol' Zeitgeist. lol but what an eye opener. I was a lil enraged and disturbingly entertaining.
ReplyDeleteI feel that this video was a very good video and I agree with eaddy...I feel as if what you believe on is your own personal belief...even if from what the video said about there not being a god is just a false representive of something the started a while back so people can believe and do what's right...but me being a believer regardless of what that movie said i do not question my faith regardless o he fact presented...I continue to stand for wat I believe in.
ReplyDeleteI disagree also... I looked up some of the comparisons that they made in the movie and they are totally false... Eddie did a good job but some of the things he used I don't agree with... My opinion is that historians and scientist don't always know everything and it can't tell me each and everything about the world...
ReplyDeleteThe movie was................interesting is a nice way to put it. Sure the information presented seem reasonable and believable, you have to comepletely be devoted and dedicated to your faith not to buy into that. I belive in God completely no matter what the movie or anyone else says. He is a God that is capable of all things. God performs miracles which in no way can be described by any science or person.
ReplyDeletewow...Well Eddie said it all. I agree with Nnenna, the movie was...interesting. I believe that it takes a strong believer in their religion to watch the movie, because the narrator tried to use the media and propaganda to try and convince the viewer that their opinion towards religion was incorrect. I also believe that the evidence the narrator used to build their argument was unsound and unreasonable. I'll admit that after watching the movie, I questioned some of what I believe in, but that just goes to show how persuading the movie was. I believe that it is impossible for someone to try and relate the Bible and Jesus Christ to astronomy. Some things can't be easily explained.
ReplyDeleteNO! Eddie broke it down somethin serious!
ReplyDeleteThe movie was appealing. It opened ur eyes to new things and something u never thought about. Even tho u dont neccesarily agree with everything that the movie said it did make u think about somethings. Like Druskii said everything doesnt have a logical reason behind it like religion. And religion is a subject that everyone feels different on and is a very touchy subject. The movie uses things to try n get u to think the way it thinks, like the guy saying u should pay 10% n follow the 10 Commandments n if u dont he will send u to Hell forever BUT He loves u.
Unlike the others i believe that the movie make interesting points, the makers of this movie may have used propaganda tricks to display this information however i feel like they still haven't answered the unanswered questions. Like WHO is God? HOW was he created? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT SOMEONE FROM ANCIENT TIMES DIDNT MAKE ALL OF THIS UP???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? This video gets you to wonder about things......Im not questioning my faith but its like where are the facts like can you show me proof other than one book that has many versions. I know most dont agree because there is always two sides of a story. Even though everythiing isnt logical that doesnt mean ima believe it because people before me did NO! i want a good reason why i should believe in this religion thing................... HOW?? WHY?? WHERE?? WHO?? EVERYTHING HAS TO HAVE AN ANSWER!!!
ReplyDeletei don't know why everyone's comments are so long. Short and simple, the first part of Zeitgeist was very interesting and whether you agreed with it or not, it made you think.
ReplyDelete..Zeitgeist was a very interesting film, but when i see things like that movie I like to pose the following question, although I KNOW there IS A GOD: Would you rather live your life believing that there is a God and die to find out there isn't or would you rather live your life believing that there is no God and die to find out there is?
ReplyDeleteAs a christian you MUST study the Word in order to gain knowledge and understanding so we won't fall victim to such blasphemy!
Zeitgeist was a very interesting film and I do agree with Eddie. Even though this film made convincing points you have to stand strong to your faith. Some things in religion just can not be explained or questioned by man because God is miraculous. The word of God said to do GOOD and believe in him and all your questions will eventually be answered. What do you have to lose by doing GOOD?????? As true christ followers it is imperative for us to study the word and trust in it.
ReplyDeleteHmmm...I was not very interested in this other way of thinking about Christianity. I believe that God is the father, that Jesus came into the world to save me, a sinner,was buried, was raised on the third day, and then ascended to heaven. I believe that Jesus is the truth, the light, and my savior. After seventeen years, two months, and twenty days of learning about Christianity, God, and Jesus Christ, no one can put doubt in my mind that there is another "god". Christianity was not created by men, but by God and Jesus themselves.
ReplyDeleteHave no fear Zach Mason is here! Zach Mason knows that there is a God simply because he has proved Himself to Zach Mason and He has helped Zach Mason with his life. Zach Mason is not offended or bothered by the movie because everyone has the right to question and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Zach Mason believes its good for your beliefs to be tested.It should make them stronger. The movie makes you think from a different angle and they made some good points, but just because it made Zach Mason think doesn't mean he is going to change his opinion and go against his faith. Zach Mason also thinks Lashonda wrote a really good post. And if someone from ancient times did jus make all this stuff up, then they are one heck of a story teller. Zach Mason means Socrates couldn't spit fire like that. But i wanna know does every single question really have one true factual answer or do they have answers based on the perception of the person answering the question? Such as the question we are talking about, Is there really a God? We probably jus dont know the answer but i wanted to sound cool. I think my real question is does every answer have a question? Wow. Zach Mason OUT! LE GO!!!
ReplyDeleteI truly enjoy how Zach speaks in third person...I really enjoyed the movie, being that I am almost overly open minded and am a true believer that there is two sides to a story. Zeitgeist really makes you think, then again so does Eddie's argument. I feel that if the movie did site its beliefs it would have felt more truthful, but then that's my bias because I have been taught all my life that there is a God. Thus, agreeing with the movie and laughing with it at some points made me feel a little pang inside...
ReplyDeleteHi everybody!!
ReplyDeleteWell i think Zeitgeist Part 1 was a very interesting film especially because of how it was presented BUT..... this film did not make me question my faith one bit. I think about it lik this if you change your mind about your beliefs change it because you really think that what you was thinking at first was wrong not just because!! You should stick with your beliefs and let the rest ride no matter how anyone looks at you or what they think about you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion!! :-D
As we all know..Mesha is type religous. I believed that the bible is the inspired, infallable, unalterable word of God, written by Holy men of old as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. God is infinite in power and he created all things. Before the stars got here..there was God! You really have to be a strong beleiver in order to watch that video. He tried to test people's faith and knowledge about God with some stuff he didnt even know was wrong(which Eddie pointed out). The video was interesting to me because I never see people dog other religions out like people do Christianity, and that only makes me believe more. I know there is a God because everything I pray for in the private comes to pass through who or what ever God allows. He has showed up in my life MILLIONS of times! I have every reason to believe because its been proven to me..and as long as you question God and put other "gods" before him...u will never see!
ReplyDeleteWell I haven't seen this part of the "movie" so I don't really have an opinion on it.But from what I read above, it seemed like it was an interesting part. The kind that would have you thinking about A LOT
ReplyDelete..ok well...i respect everyones opinions, buti dont agree with them all...its not that i dont belive in a higher power (e.g. God) its just that i have questions. nt in particular aimng just at Christianity or my own religion,bt how do u know for sure wats true and wats not. I luv how eddie bought up the point of TRANSLATION, just a small problem with that > earlier in class i ws talking about how their are literally "holes" in the scriptures and people just filld them in. is like we dont really kno wat th orignal wrtten text was... how come nobdy has kept records? if cavemen cud keep track of things on walls, how come old religous groups cudnt do the same? sure there are plenty of holy scriptures out there,but how do u kno wich is correct? if any TRULY ARE correct. thnk about it..dont get mad at me here, but God...HOW DO U GIVE HIM EMOTIONS? CORRECTME IF IM WRONG, GOD IS FORGIVING, BUT UR NT REALLY SUPOSD TO CHRACTERISE HIM WITH HUMAN EMOTINS... ANDDDD... they say in the bible and other scriptures its written basicly > GAY = WRONG...correct me there, but thats the basic meaning isnt it? if thats tru then y did God create those who are gay or bi? ... u think maybeeee just maybeeee,su1 put that in the scripture bc THEY FELT IT WS WRONG and didnt wnt others to b that way, so they put it there as "GODS WORD" and u blindly obey it? u dontkno wat iffff God meant for it to be that way...i mean honestly.. if he didnt want it that way, it wunt be here. if he didnt want it that way, he wunt have wired our brains to kno that there is a thing as HOMOSEXUALS OR BISXUALS...u cnt truly be sure. so yhh. like i said..this isnt just aimd at 1 or 2 religions, its just a few "?"s i had in general..i probabl wont belive s strongly in a "certain religion" but i take things from all religions that i do like, and i belie n a hiher power.. e.g. maybe God, or sumthing else..u nevr know..we may b the guinea pig in sumbdys experiment, and made nd wired, and given religion by certain ppl to xperiment... so yh, this is just my opinion. Zeitgest had sum gud points and bad points overall, mad interesting. but i didnt get my "?"s nswerred, so i a bit dispaointd. =P
ReplyDelete...This was a very interesting movie that really made me think and about a lot of different things. I mean I still do believe in god and everything but this movie really opened my eyes and it made me question, or rather just really think about some aspects of my religion. I mean after I think about it to me its like my religion is really a thing for hope and it helps you see what’s right from wrong in life and it guides you in the right direction. But I do know that its a lot more to it than that but I think that is really the base for my religion, and after I think about it if my parents did not have me to go to church when I was younger I wonder if I would even believe in any religion now even though I know that statement is like one of our fallacies "Hypothesis Contrary to Fact". But anyway this movies really tests your faith in your religion, and I think that it didn’t lead me to think that my religion is wrong it just made me think that even if it was duplicated or altered a little bit, in our society and life now it has really helped me and lead me to become a successful person.
ReplyDeleteI thought that Zeitgeist Part 1 was very interesting. Even though the movie proved many relevant facts I still have more faith in my religion and cannot be persuaded to change my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI thought the movie was interesting because it made some good points and definitely gets you thinking. i agree with Lashonda's point of view because there are so many thoughts to how the world was created, how do you kno which one is true? i do believe in religion,or at least consider it, but to a certain extent. Some of the things don't make much sense to me and it starts to make you question religion in general.
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ReplyDeleteThis video added a lot of thought to my brain...KeeHeeHee. I found this video to be an eye opener, because of how interesting it was towards religion. You can't change what I think about things, therefore this video was not even strong enough or close to making me think twice about my own religion. My religion has helped me to grow, and I believe that by continuing with my religion that it will help me to grow into a successful, and better person.
Alright this movie was very interesting and i feel that this dude was full of it. Buddy was using all types of tricks to make is point look more dominant but he did have some good points. but i still believe in God and though he made me think about christianity (SP) he hasnt gave me enough proff to make me do any kind of dramatic change of religion or anything. i hope im not rambling but yea thats how i feel...Im Gudda Gudda.....She Gudda Gudda..... You Gudda Gudda.....WE GUDDA GUDDA
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ReplyDeletei think that the movie was very interesting even though i didnt agree with most of the comparisons it was worth the thought .Honestly it did make me question my belief in the end i still believe in God.We were always taught not to question God but i always had questions on how was God created?or Was he even created? these questions always are in the back of my head but the information that the movie gave us still didnt make me disbelieve in God. For the most part i enjoyed the movie.
ReplyDeleteSome people say belief is the strongest thing sme has. I believe in God and nothing can change my mind on that. The flim used many propaganda techniques to trick viewers. For a moment the techniques has me going then I realized they were just TRICKS. God is real to me and will always be, point blank period.
ReplyDeletei thought the movie was about as entertaining as a reality TV show, it was fun to laugh at but at the end of the movie there was no change in my beliefs what so ever.just because it sounded like he knew what he was talking about, doesn't mean i am going to give up on something i believed in my whole life. but i still want to do more reading and research so i could back up my beliefs like Eddie can. this is the second movie i have seen like this, so my question why is everyone picking on Christianity?! obviously they must be intimidated by something...
ReplyDeleteThe movie zeitgeist was a very opinion based movie. I think that all he did was air his opinion but although at the same time I felt he was being so to say ignorant. I say that and use such a strong word because it was what and how he spoke on the way he felt. There are better ways that you can express how you feel without badgeing others beliefs he could have at least been respectable on cristians out look.It did not challenge my belief not one bit. I was so shocking to me when Eddie pulled out the bible and started citing quotes. It was funny but at the same time you could tell he's strong in his belief and know's exactly what he's talking about. I'm strong in my belief but Eddie has me beat!
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I am one who was raised in a strong Christian based home. I CONSIDER myself a strong believer in the LORD and JESUS CHRIST. This clip, however, did raise a couple questions… As Lashonda stated in her response WHERE?? WHEN?? HOW?? … Should I believe what I am told? Everything comes from somewhere right?? Am I supposed to just believe that some things just happen to be in existence because a book tells me which was written by man? Was there one who created all?? We are forced to live in a world where people are force to choose between blessings and luck … life after death in heaven or hell versus decomposing and turning into dust?? I am curious as to how it all began; HOWEVER… the good book says don’t question GOD?? All in all… I would rather live putting all my trust in the LORD and SAVIOR CHRIST knowing that there’s a possibility of me going to heaven than not believe and wage my life and eternal happiness.
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@Mona I respect your opinion but I have a question of my own. What evidence, literal evidence is there that there are holes in the Bible or they have been modified. The belief that the bible has been edited by has no true basis, it is a claim. The Nash Papyrus, and the Dead Sea Scrolls give us a date to reference the Old Testament of the Bible to 200 B.C and they are consistent with the copies of the bible we have now. There are manuscripts of the new testament that date to before 70 A.D and they are consistent with the current versions of the new testament.
ReplyDeleteAnd a Christian response to the claim of Homosexuality is the belief that God gave us free will firstly. We have the option to decide anything. Notice the bible also says do not fornicate but we still have the option to do it. God created man without sin but because of free will we strayed and according to the bible homosexuality is one of the ways we strayed.
"or the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:18-30)
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ReplyDeleteYou raise some really interesting points Eddie! I'd like to offer some comments and questions.
ReplyDelete1. RE: holes in the Bible. While I haven't seen the actual manuscripts that the Bible is based on (have you?), I have seen photos of the Dead Sea scrolls, and they are in fragments.
2. RE: editing of the Bible. I disagree with your statement "The belief that the bible has been edited by has no true basis, it is a claim." Eddie, it is a fact. The Hebrew scriptures of the Old Testament were translated into Greek (Septuagint)and Latin (Vulgate) and later English (King James Version) among others. Some books were accepted, others later rejected or put in a category of what I would call "not quite sure" (Apocrypha--you can find these books in a Catholic Bible between the Old and New Testaments).
In the King James Version that I have, words not found in the original Hebrew or Greek texts are italicized--that is editing.
3. RE: There are manuscripts of the new testament that date to before 70 A.D. Really? Manuscripts of the New Testament, not just the Book of Mark? I'd like to see your evidence :-)
About the homosexuality and fornication thing...next post :-)
RE: "And a Christian response to the claim of Homosexuality is the belief that God gave us free will firstly. We have the option to decide anything."
ReplyDeleteHmmm. I don't have the option of deciding if I need to breathe, drink, or eat. Those are biological imperatives. Sex is a biological imperative too, but I won't die without it. But there would be no next generation without it, and that is a form of delayed death for my genetic line.
Religions often target these biological imperatives and put "God given" rules about what is acceptable or unacceptable to eat, drink, or sexual behavior. This sounds to me more like man-made social control rather than Divine directives. God did not appear to me and tell me not to drink alcohol, or eat pork, or have sex before I was married. A man did.
Which raises questions about why an all powerful God needs a human intermediary...but that's another topic.
Healthy dietary habits and familial support structures benefit society. How do you curb biological imperatives or proclivities when they conflict with the social order? (NOTE: drinking alcohol, smoking, drug usage, etc. are not biological necessities, but they are pleasurable, even though they are not desirable in the long term). Tell the masses that God said NO!!!
"Better society" and a better position in that society for those that are the mouthpieces for "God". They get to be the boss!
I've read a few of the comments so far and I'm agreeing with alot of what has been said...
ReplyDelete"dang eddie what else is there 2 say? lol" - Andrew
"The movie was....interesting..." - Nnenna
"I believe there is a God simply because he has proved Himself to me and He has helped me with my life." - Zach
"I believe that it takes a strong believer in their religion to watch the movie, because the narrator tried to use the media and propaganda to try and convince...." - MIA
"Honestly it did make me question my belief in the end i still believe in God.We were always taught not to question God but i always had questions on how was God created?or Was he even created?" - Kiera
"Even tho u dont neccesarily agree with everything that the movie said it did make u think about somethings." - Cluade
"Everything happens for a reason... but what was the reason for this video in my life?" - (CAIRSTON <---the only person i know with this name spelt this way)Why? maybe i'll find out in TOK..
If the Bible was really about social control the authors did a horrific job because their are way to many bible stories contradicting that very ideal.
ReplyDelete“If the Bible was about Social Control, why does the main character say stuff like this?
“But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first “(Matthew 19:30)
“But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister” (Mark 10:42-43) *Minister is the Greek word for servant
If the Bible is a book of social control it was a dumb idea to put the book of James in it.
“Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats. Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which you are called?” (James 2:6)
“Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it wither the grass, and the flower thereof falls, and the grace of the fashion of it perishes: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. “(James 1:11)
If the Bible's aim was social control then that wrote these scriptures in here was not very bright.
“When you sit to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before you And put a knife to your throat, if you be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat. Labor not to be rich: cease from your own wisdom.” (Proverbs 23:1-4)
“Many seek the ruler's favour; but every man's judgment cometh from the LORD.” (Proverbs 29:26)
“There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceeds from the ruler:Folly is set in great dignity, and the rich sit in low place. I have seen servants on horses, and princes walking as servants on the earth.” (Ecclesiastes 10:7)
“If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.” (Proverbs 29:12)
If the Bible was made to indoctrinate social control the person who wrote this stuff lost their job.
“O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.” (Isaiah 3:12)
“The LORD has broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter of the rulers.” (Isaiah 14:5)
“Woe to them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed; To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!” (Isiah 10:2)
“ I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.” (Isaiah 10:12)
If the bible was about social control would Jesus tell Pilate this?
ReplyDelete"My kingdom is not of this world if my kingdom were of this world then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews but now is my kingdom not from hence" (Matthew 18:36)
If social control was the aim of the bible why would Jesus go against the Scribes or Pharisees countless times (They were both religious and political leaders - Notice the relationship they had with both King Herod and the Governor Pontius Pilate in the bible)?
1. "1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees which were of Jerusalem saying Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders for they wash not their hands when they eat bread But he answered and said unto them Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition For God commanded saying Honour thy father and mother and He that curseth father or mother let him die the death But ye say Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother It is a gift by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me And honour not his father or his mother he shall be free Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition Ye hypocrites well did Esaias prophesy of you saying"
2. "7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism he said unto them O generation of vipers " (Matthew 3:7)
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Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees which were of Jerusalem saying Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders for they wash not their hands when they eat bread 3 But he answered and said unto them Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition For God commanded saying Honour thy father and mother and He that curseth father or mother let him die the death But ye say Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother It is a gift by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me 6 And honour not his father or his mother he shall be free Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition Ye hypocrites well did Esaias prophesy of you saying
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth and honoureth me with their lips but their heart is far from me
But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men
And he called the multitude and said unto them Hear and understand Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man but that which cometh out of the mouth this defileth a man" (Matthew 15:1-10)
4. The entirety of Matthew Chapter 23
If the Bible was made Social Control they must have put Daniel's story in by accident.
In the book of Daniel, the king made a decree that no man could pray to any God. Daniel did not follow this decree and was thrown into a lion's den.
If the Bible was about social control why did all the Kings, the ultimate social controllers want to destroy Israel?
What is Social Control?
ReplyDeleteUsing the Hegelian Dialectic in media to subconsciously subvert minds to do the things opposite of what the bible says do?
Using the fact that music by passes the frontal lobe of the brain to influence people to do things contrary to what the bible says and of course support big business sales while your in Wal-mart?
Making sure political leaders are in secret societies that worship Lucifer so the same agenda can be coherently pushed throughout the ages?
Making music artists join the occult in order to become mainstream, then use them for the mouth pieces of indoctrination?
The fact that the blood lines of Bush, Clinton and the queen of England are related?
The fact that each of them are in some sort of related secret society like Skull and Bones, and DeMolay etc?
Or maybe how 6/9 supreme courts justices are Roman Catholic?
Or how one of them is a member of the Belizean Grove, a society which worships Molech. Not to mention that Molech was for the human sacrfice of children.
Or how about poisoning our facet water and toothpaste with fluoride to hinder sterility and lower the American population so it can be controlled easier?
And don't let me forget about the poisonous chem-trails they release over the atmosphere?
Hmm... O lets see... how the United Nations has the Lucis Trust, formely known as Lucifer Trust, is on the Roster of the United Nations Economic and Social Council?
The externalization of occult symbols and themes such as the skull, anarchy, eye of Horus, the triquetra, and the ankh in mass media, and clothing to subconsciously subvert people to the New World Order?
How the Military Commissions Act repealed the writ of Habeus Corpus?
How Infra Guard allows private citizens to use arms during social unrest which the government will invoke soon?
Or creating catastrophic events in order to invoke fear into the lives of millions and then use the mass media as a medium for the spirit of fear?
Or making a movie called Zeitgeist and quoting the same people who wrote the doctrine that caused the World Trade Center attacks over 50 times?
Or making a movie called Zeitgeist which calls Gerald Massey an Egyptologist although he wasn't, but was actually a practicing Druid who was in line with the doctrine of Alice Bailey, Madame HP Blavatsky, and Alister Crowley?
It seems to me that they do not need the Bible to invoke social control, but in order to invoke it they have to get rid of the bible. Their bloodlines, and memberships in occult societies help allow them to have political and economic power which they need to invoke social control. That is why they say “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law”
And in referencing to editing, I am not talking about translation. The bible has been translated into over 200+ languages so of course somethings will be different. If anyone has a problem with that the manuscripts are available at museums and universities so if they know Greek or Hebrew they can compare themselves. I am referring to the claim that the bible we have now is not at all the same bible originally used.Yeah I know about Apocrypha. Apocrypha was considered by the Hebrew scholars to be good for historical and religious practice but not on the same level as the Torah, prophets etc.
ReplyDeleteMost of the debate over the new testament cannon was not because of the 27 books considered cannon now but because books of the gnostic gospels such as the Gospel of Thomas. They were not consistent with Christianity and were created far past the time of Christ.
If the Bible is about social control, then whoever wrote the books of Leviticus and Dueteronomy deserves a big bonus for all the overtime!
ReplyDeleteYea and they sure did a great job of enforcing the control too because to this day not one of the Israelites transgressed the law.
ReplyDeleteHey Eddie, I'm not singling out the Judeao-Christian tradition, social control is common among most religions, past and present. It is certainly present in our government and educational institutions (does that make me an agent of social control? Gravy No!!!!) And as you point out, Big Business loves it.
ReplyDeleteIn response to "It seems to me they do not need the Bible to invoke social control, but in order to invoke it, they have to get rid of the Bible." I think they can and do use it as a distraction. Just think about the many fundamentalist Christians that were huge Bush supporters.
You are certainly well versed in the major conspiracy theories. Ever hear of the Bilderberg Group or the Trilateral Commission?
Oh I am very aware that they use the bible as a distraction, its the false doctrine filled Catholic Church. It is very evident that the Pope is controlling the world right now. All he has to do is make mention of something and some how the United Nations and the G8 seem to make it happen. But the Bible also has to be watered down so the principles do not come against the new world order. Thats why they had the College of Propoganda.
ReplyDeleteOh yea ive heard of both of them. Notice how the triquetra is the symbol of the Trilateral Commission?
And I still do not feel the bible was created for a tool of social control. I believe the law is just what the bible says it is "the school master to lead us to Christ" Before the law there were no regulations regarding diet etc but I believe because of man's sin a school master was required. And of course people in power will always get a hold of things to use it for control. Notice how the Catholic church has declared itself the only moral authority and that no other Christian "denominations" are correct and how the Catholic Church should be the intermediary for all moral decisions made in the U.N. And how the Pope declared the need for a New World Order and global currency on Jun 7 09 and on Jun 10 09 The president of Russia had a model coin ready.
ReplyDeleteWell...now that I've finally gotten the chance to comment! LOL....I first want to say that I'm a Christian and will always remain one for the rest of my life. I believe that there is only one TRUE God and that is the one above. He's been taking care of me since I gave him my life and I thank and praise him for that. BUT that doesnt restrict me from saying that I found this video to be very interesting. It was shown to us to make us think and that's exactly what it did. I'm not afraid to admit that the vid did make some valid points. What if this God figure is made up and goes along with all the other "Gods" that have the same story? What if we are being "foolish" to believe in a higher power that may not even be real? To me, this movie showed a technique of persuasion. They tried to tell their side of the religion to persuade our thoughts about what we thought we knew. Just as if I was trying to convert an atheist {sp.} to be a Christian. But in the end it all balls down to your faith and what you choose to believe in. But the only thing I think would be foolish to do, is to be so gullible that you believe in God all your life and then after watching this video, let someone change your mind. I trust that my faith is strong and will always be. So even after watching it, I can think on it, make valid points about it, and still be who I am in Christ. PERIOD =)
ReplyDeleteKelcey here...you guys hav really thought this out... glad to know that there are some smart people in my class. zeitgeist pt.1 was interesting. i really don't consider what the entire argument was trying to make me believe, which was believing that Christianity is a hoax.though i do think that the subliminary premise was to allow everyone to question what people have TOLD us to believe. i think that the movie was only making sure... that we were believing what we truly believed for ourselves and not because we were told to believe so.
ReplyDeleteThe video was interesting. I think that the video got some people to question christianity. I believe that if you did start to question your belief, maybe your faith isnt as strong as you thought it was. The video was to try to make us think really hard about christianity and it did have me thinkin. All I have to say is dont let the video stray you away from your belief because he used media and tried to convince us that all the things he mentioned in the video was true.
ReplyDeleteZeitgeist Part 1 was a video of truth and of deciet(spl check)...It allowed me to see what others view christaintiy as...After class I watched the video with my father...he also said that the creator of Zeitgeist did have some true moments but some of his statements were false. We discussed how yes there are some peices of the bible taken out but when you truly believe in Jesus and God and have a strong relationship with them, they will reveal to you the missing peices. To your question about why do we believe, I think at first we all believe in Jesus because of what we are taught from little babies, but as we get older we believe because we are seeking and thirsting to have a relationship with him because now our parents or grandparents can't take ownership of our sins.
ReplyDeleteFirst i would like to say that in reguard to the part itself i found it very interesting and thought that it raised alot of good questions about the belief of any religion. i personally dont believe in a god(atheist if you want to call it that). its not that i wasnt exposed to it or anything like that. im not rebeling against the system, its just what i believe to be true. I know that the movie had alot of biased opinions of the writer and in my opnion he was trying to make a joke out of something that i know people take very seriously. i just think that when it comes to religion people should be free to decide which one they want to follow, if any. it is pointless to try to persuade someone who has made up their mind about what they believe is true.I just repect other poeple beliefs and do what i think is right.
ReplyDeletex....AS I REVIEWED THE COMMENTS POSTED BY MY FELLOW CLASSMATES, I AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THEM. IF YOU'RE NOT A STRONG BELIEVER IN YOUR RELIGION, THEN WATCHING ZEITGEIST PART 1 WILL HAVE YOU CONFUSED AND QUESTIONING WHETHER YOUR BELIEF IS REALLY TRUE. SINCE I AM A STRONG BELIEVER I HAVE NO DOUBTS AFTER WATCHING THE CLIP I STILL SERVE ONE GOD AND ONE KINGDOM.
ReplyDeleteThis part of Zeitgeist was really interesting because it had some strong major key points in it towards religion and where the ideas behind it came from. My opinon:about religion, about the findings that are with it, and the findings that are against it is that it's a lost cause. Why, because it seems that there is truly no way to prove or to not prove a religion; besides everyone is going to believe what they want to believe, either because of their parents or whatever. The most this really, really interesting Zeitgeist Part 1 movie would do is probably open up some eyes, make people a little upset(because they are so Godly and watching anything of such slander would be heinous), and of course raise a lot of questions.
ReplyDeleteZeitgeist does not change my opinion of the things that I’ve been taught throughout my life. To me, the movie is just a test of my faith and I think that I passed. If this man is so against Christianity, why doesn’t he bring real facts to the table instead of trying to get a good laugh out the whole thing. For the second part of the movie, I do believe that some of what is stated is true. If there was no trace of blood or parts of the plane, how could it have crashed? The only thing that I’m stomped upon is, “Where did the plane go?” I guess the world will never know since the government is trying to keep everything about 9/11 a secret. Well like all secrets, the truth will come out one day. So far the movie is interesting and I would just like people to respect the views of others instead of taking offense to everything someone says. Ready to watch to watch the next part.
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